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chaz@devastator.extern.ucsd.edu said: > Thus, I feel that the accessibility of hardware of these intermediate > devices needs to be significantly greater than that of the more > single-minded devices I speak of when I say "embedded products", like > VCRs, microwave ovens, or automobile engine controllers. Actually, automobile engine controllers are a counter-example to your argument:-) Speed shops are increasingly hacking spark control computers to alter the performance characteristics of the engine at hand. One can reverse-engineer the system by looking hard enough under the hood, though. -- Steve Williams "The woods are lovely, dark and deep. steve@icarus.com But I have promises to keep, steve@picturel.com and lines to code before I sleep, http://www.picturel.com And lines to code before I sleep."