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Re: bash and the delete key

Right!  Like M$ is going to help train their users to
do things the *nix way so switching to *nix will be

Regarding "The support of ... are so universal":  M$
considers their way to be universal, and considering
their market share, it is closer to being true than
many of us like.

- Barry


If I had things my way, I would encourage Microsoft to
discontinue making
the transition in the wrong direction. The support of
Ctrl+Insert and Shift+Delete are so universal that I
think there would be
significant protest if support was discontinued. I
understand that you are
advising not to encourage use of them but notice that
I responded to a
recomendation to use "Insert" instead of Shift-Insert.
I am surprised that
you did not make a comment on use of plain "Insert".
Also not that my reply
was for a discussion in which the Microsoft
recommendation is not possible.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephan Mueller"
To: "Samuel" <>;
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 1:11 PM
Subject: RE: bash and the delete key

Please note that the
Ctrl-Insert/Shift-Insert/Shift-Delete keystrokes
are legacy, supported for backwards compatibility. 
The modern standard
is indeed Ctrl-C/V/X.

>From "The Windows Interface Guidelines for Software
Design" (covers
Windows 95 and NT! -- so you know it's not brand new

"The system still supports shortcut assignments
available in
earlier versions of Microsoft Windows (Alt+Backspace,
Ctrl+Insert, Shift+Delete).  You should consider
supporting them (though
not documenting them) to support the transition of

(This is a footnote in Appendix B, which documents the
shortcuts - Ctrl-C/V/X among them).

As long as folks don't actually make the transition, I
suspect the OS
will continue to support them, but please, let's not
encourage folks to
make the transition in the wrong direction :-)


-----Original Message-----
From: Samuel []
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: bash and the delete key

----- Original Message -----
From: "Randall R Schulz" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 8:31 PM
Subject: RE: bash and the delete key
> Mapping the insert clipboard to the "Insert" key is
> "hella-useful."

I did not pay sufficient attention to what I was doing
and this reply
got sent to Randall instead of to the list, so it has
been delayed a

I don't use Ctrl-V to insert the clipboard; I use
Shift-Insert. I use
Ctrl-Insert to copy to the clipboard and Shift-Delete
to cut. These have
been standard since Windows 3.1. I learned to use them
by using the
technique of remembering that Ctrl-Insert begins with
"C" as in "Copy".
If these keys were used in CygWin and if a Windows
user were to get in
the habit of using them in Windows then they should be
able to use the
"correct" keys by habit. I have encountered very few
situations in which
Ctrl-Insert does not work and in the situations it
does not work I did
not even think to try using Ctrl-V. I think that one
situation in which
Ctrl-Insert does not work is Adobe Acrobat (the find
dialog at least)
and all others are less common; at least less commonly
used by me.

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