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Re: Reboot vs. Restart Windows
Mike Maxwell wrote:
Most of us don't look in the dictionary to find out what computer
terms--or any other words--mean. I would guesstimate that you learned
99% of your vocabulary, computer or otherwise, without looking it up.
So by that count, 99% of the words we know are our own arbitrary
definitions, made up by observing how words are used, or occasionally
by having someone tell you what a word means (and they probably
learned it the same way).
Let me get this straight, just because you're too lazy or perhaps proud
to look up a word that you don't know the meaning to we should change
terminology to fit your needs?!? Then you "guessitmate" (AKA pull a
number out of your ass) that 99% of the population is as lazy or stupid.
Said people are using computers and most likely the net too. Is it
really too much trouble for you to do a google search or say search out
on answers.com or wikipedia?!? Do you similarly campaign to have
electricians or auto mechanics to change their terminology?!? This is
the field of computers (used to be called computer science). You're
welcome to come into our world but like any profession you gotta learn
Me, I learned "reboot" when I was operating a Cyber 170/750. It meant
(IIRC) lifting a little door and operating a switch, at which point
the computer referred to the settings of a wall full of toggle
switches for the first few instructions to follow. I'm sure I never
looked the word up in a dictionary.I'm willing to bet that that terminology was never allowed on a submarine!
Besides, times change, but usage changes more slowly. When I was in
the Navy, the term for starting up any piece of equipment, be it a
boiler or a computer, was "fire it up."
I assure you that even in those days, no one lit a fire under the
(analog) computer to start it, despite the words we used. So it's not
inconceivable in these days of Windows, virtual OSs, etc., that we
might use the term 'reboot' to mean s.t. other than completely
restarting the computer.I see no clearer benefit to using restart as opposed to reboot. Indeed
reboot is a commonly accepted notion by most people in the business and
now a days, most people not in the business but using computers themselves.
Also, remember that not everyone using CygWin is a geek, nor a native
speaker of English. Why not make the msg clear to non-initiates?
It's difficult to say exactly what to shut down as Cygwin isn't normally
started up as per say. The basic problem tends to be whenever you're
updating cygwin1.dll. Just about all Cygwin processes use that thus it's
loaded in memory and Windows does not allow it to be replaced when it's
busy. If you, for example, installed services such as cron, inetd, etc.
then cygwin1.dll will be loaded. I don't think there's an easy way to
determine what caused cygwin1.dll to be loaded and to easily point the
user saying "You have sshd configured as a service and it's using
cygwin1.dll - you need to close that". It's probably doable to check to
see if cygwin1.dll is replaceable *at this moment in time* but you
cannot guarantee that it won't get used by the time you are about to
replace it*! So, for example, setup.exe could check and see that
nobody's using cygwin1.dll. Then it starts downloading/installing
things. Meantime something happens to start a Cygwin process (let's say
you have a Scheduled Task that fires off a bash script). So setup
thought it was cool but when it came time to replace cygwin1.dll
suddenly it's being used...
And if you close all running Cygwin apps and services as recommended,
As you will have guessed from reading this far, I'm old enough that
it's quite possible my memory is fading. But I don't recall seeing
any msg from the setup program telling me to close any running Cygwin
apps or services. That would be a good addition, I suspect. (I'm not
familiar with DLL programming, but wouldn't it be quite easy for setup
to tell whether Cygwin is running before the update starts, and tell
the user to shut it down?)
OK, I just went through the update process. Unless I need new reading
glasses, there really was no such recommendation.
Andrew DeFaria <http://defaria.com>
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