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>>>>> "jc" == Jimen Ching <jimen@adtech-inc.com> writes: jc> Hi all, jc> I finally got a chance to take a look at the 1.1 release. I have a jc> few questions, if you don't mind. jc> 1. The installation instructions says I need to build a set of jc> cross-compiler tools to use eCos. Is eCos not usable natively? jc> I.e. can I not compile the test programs and run it on Linux/x86, jc> for instance? In the 1.1 release you will need to use either physical hardware or a simulator. The supplied toolchain contains simulators for the mn10300, tx39 and powerpc, all of which will work under ix86 Linux. As regards running eCos applications natively under Linux, for example to avoid the performance overheads of using a simulator, I am not able to give any additional information at this time. jc> 2. Why do version directories exist inside the package directory? jc> I.e. packages/kernel/v1_1. Is there a plan to use jc> packages/kernel/v1_2 or packages/kernel/v1_1_1? What is the jc> advantage of this? Are there plans to use files from different jc> versions? There are indeed plans to support versioning within packages, so there will be parallel directories v1_1, v1_2, and so on. Currently the host side tools do not fully support this, but it was desirable to get the directory structure right from the very beginning. There are a number of good reasons for doing this. eCos is intended to support third party packages within the overall configuration system, and those are not going to be released in lock-step with eCos itself. Your application may want to use package A from a particular supplier and that package might only have been tested with the previous release of eCos itself. On the other hand your application might want to exploit some functionality provided only by the latest version of eCos. Being able to manipulate which versions of which package get used to produce the final image is potentially very powerful. Another example: an eCos component repository may be shared for several different applications. One of these might be almost ready for release, and you would not want to change the OS version at that stage of the release cycle. Another application has just started development, and obviously the developers would like to use the latest and greatest version. Again this requires a directory structure where different versions of each package can co-exist. jc> 3. Though the win32 configuration tool looks nice and all, is there jc> any plans to produce something like the 'make config' tool in jc> Linux? It is a scrolling question and answer tool. The eCos configuration tool is actually rather more powerful than the Linux configuration tool. There are two key differences. First, the eCos tool can handle third party packages as well as the core system. Second, the tool knows about dependencies between packages and the options inside those packages. For example, if the user wants a thread-safe C library but has disabled the kernel option that provides per-thread data then the tool will detect that there is a conflict and suggest appropriate actions. This technology allows us to do much more in terms of fine-grained configurability than is possible with e.g. Linux' "make config". The extra level of configurability is not necessarily appropriate for the systems that Linux is aimed at, but it is very useful for the type of embedded systems that eCos targets. The intention is to provide a Unix implementation of the eCos configuration tool, in addition to the existing win32 one. I cannot give any date for this yet. jc> 4. What's with the eCos/prebuilt directory? How and where can I jc> use these files? You know it takes up one third of the distribution jc> space, right? ;-) There was some internal debate about this before the release. The idea behind the various prebuilts is that it allows people to start playing with the system immediately, for example they can link and run a "Hello world" program without having to learn how to configure and build the system itself. In addition there is one test executable which can be used straightaway to make sure that the hardware is set up correctly or to make sure that the simulator has been built correctly. We would appreciate some feedback from users to find out whether anybody has actually made use of these prebuilts, or whether everybody was quite happy having to rebuild the system first. jc> 5. I am interested in porting eCos to my proprietary system. It jc> does not have an eval board. I didn't read anywhere that describes jc> how to port to a cpu, rather than to a eval board. Where should I jc> start looking? A good place to start would be the sourceware FAQ, see http://sourceware.cygnus.com/ecos/faq.html#porting_how_would_I This contains a pointer to the current HAL specification, which is the main thing you would need to know about when doing an architecture port. jc> That's it for now. Thanks in advance for any info... HTH Bart Veer // eCos net maintainer