RE: ask for delivering cygwin 1.1.8 with kde 1.1.2

[Suhaib Siddiqi <ssiddiqi at inspirepharm dot com>]

> > Will it not cause version skew with Cygwin/XFree86?
> 
> No, you're not using this symbol. I have installed running 
> xfree 4.0.3 and
> 4.1.0 with cygwin 1.1.8.


OK, as you say :-)

Next question!  What about setup.exe.  Do you plan to modify setup.exe
which can install Xfree86 and KDE?

Suhaib

> 
> > We build XFree86 always with latest version of Cygwin1.dll. 
>  If your KDE
> needs Cygwin > 1.1.8, then  either we will end up maitaining 
> various version
> sof binaries or
> > users may end up compiling themselves.
> > If you post older version of XFree86 linked to older Cygwin 
> DLLs, you will
> > be inviting a
> > support nightmare for the people at Cygwin/XFree86 mailing list.
> > Therefore
> > I wanted everyone who
> > is involved in Cygwin/XFree86 project knows about your KDE 
> port and has
> > something to say.
> > I will not oppose posting older releases of Cygwin/Xfree86, 
> but, as Chris
> > said, I will not
> > be a happy camper either because developers at 
> Cygwin/Xfree86 project will
> > need to deal with
> > version skew issues otther support issues.
> 
> I understand and hope although that I can use the newest 
> cygwin, but this
> means
> to check on every new cygwin update if kde is running. You 
> can see on the
> change from 1.1.8 to 1.3.x it could be, that some minor release are
> nesessary to get some applications running like the socket 
> problems I have.
> (for which it isn't clear, where the bug is: in the 
> cygwin.dll or in kde)
> 
> My plan is to release only a few beta releases of kde-1.1.2 
> and than leave
> the 1.1.2 line, because the next step is porting kde-2, which 
> is much more
> interesting. For me kde-1.2.2 is only a preperation step to learn kde
> fundamentals.
> 
> Ralf
> >
> > Suhaib
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ralf Habacker [mailto:Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 6:33 AM
> > > To: Cygwin-Apps
> > > Cc: Suhaib Siddiqi; Alan Hourihane; Robert Collins
> > > Subject: AW: ask for delivering cygwin 1.1.8 with kde 1.1.2
> > >
> > >
> > > > Betreff: RE: ask for delivering cygwin 1.1.8 with kde 1.1.2
> > > >
> > > > cygwin-apps. (KDE is a ported application).
> > > >
> > > > I've removed Chris from the cc, as I know he is subscribed.
> > > >
> > > > So, Ralf, as I understand it the question is, why do 
> you need cygwin
> > > > 1.1.8, and an older ncurses?
> > > >
> > > 1. I have reported ealier in the cygwin list about unix
> > > socket problems,
> > > which occurs only on using cygwin 1.3.2.
> > > http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2001-05/msg01684.html
> > > After debugging kde, currently I have no idea what's going
> > > wrong. Curiously
> > > with cygwin 1.1.8 there is no problem. One reason may be the
> > > relocation
> > > problem found in cygwin by Robert Collins, but the sockets
> > > problems still
> > > remains.
> > >
> > > Currently I preparing a test environment for me, i think I
> > > can tell more
> > > soon.
> > >
> > >
> > > 2. applications or linbs linked with cygwin 1.3.2 like
> > > ncurses reference a
> > > pointer "check_for_executable" used by the method
> > > path_conv::exec_state().
> > > This isn't available under cygwin 1.1.8. So if one
> > > application or lib is
> > > linked with cygwin 1.3.2 it will never runs under cygwin
> > > 1.1.8. Especially
> > > in deep nested applications like kde this wilkl produced 
> much support
> > > problems.
> > >
> > > It is not possible to put this var into the structure 
> pointed by the
> > > impure_ptr (or somewhere else) to prevent such incompatibility ?
> > >
> > > > Does using ld without the auto-image-base solve your issues
> > > with cygwin
> > > > 1.3.2?
> > >
> > > You need to all -Wl,--export-all-symbols. Without that 
> --whole-archive
> > > doesn't do anything.
> > > Additional I have recognized a problem in using static libs,
> > > but this I have
> > > to analyse more.
> > >
> > > > What issues do you have with the latest ncurses?
> > > look at 2.
> > > ncurses 2.5-5 needs "check_for_executable", so if you update
> > > the cygwin
> > > installation with it, some kde applications will not work
> > > (especiallyx kvt).
> > > Look below for additional informations relating dependency
> > > problematic.
> > >
> > >
> > > Dependency problems
> > > Some libs like jpeglib are named with the major revision
> > > number, but without
> > > the minor /release or buildnumber for examples cygjpeg6b.dll or
> > > ncurses5.dll.
> > >
> > > Especially for the jepglib there is an additional runtime
> > > checking if the
> > > caller has compiled in the same version lib (with build-number).
> > >
> > > So when I compile kde with cygjpeg6b-2 and some time later
> > > someone updates
> > > his jpeglib to Release 6b-4, kde will not be able to run
> > > because of this
> > > runtime checking.
> > >
> > > Because of this I decided for kde to use dlls with 
> detailed name (for
> > > example kdecore-2-0-0.dll) so that multiple installed 
> versions of one
> > > package/lib are possibly.
> > >
> > > The cygwin installer doesn't care about such dependencies, so
> > > currently, it
> > > would be easier to supply depending libs with the kde (or
> > > other toplevel
> > > packages) package with the resulting problem of equal 
> named dlls with
> > > different versions.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Ralf
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Rob
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Ralf Habacker [mailto:Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 5:17 PM
> > > > > To: Alan Hourihane; Christopher Faylor; Robert Collins;
> > > Suhaib Siddiqi
> > > > > Subject: Re: ask for delivering cygwin 1.1.8 with kde 1.1.2
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >I will forward you one of his email from this morning.  I do
> > > > > not think he
> > > > > >Asked these questions on the mailing list.  Perhaps if you
> > > > > answer him and
> > > > > >ask him if he will be willing to move the discussion to
> > > > > mailing list so
> > > > > >others can join too????
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > which list we should use for this cygwinb or cygwin/xfree ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Ralf Habacker
> > > > > EMail: Ralf@habacker.de
> > > > >        Ralf.Habacker@saght.tessag.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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