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Re: AllVersions: Running Cygwin X w/ Registy Entries
* Dave Korn (2005-10-26 19:34 +0100)
> Thorsten Kampe wrote:
>> * Dave Korn (2005-10-26 17:48 +0100)
>>> Thorsten Kampe wrote:
>>>> * Christopher Faylor (2005-10-26 15:37 +0100)
>>>>> Or, I dunno, if that works, you could just use "mount" and forget
>>>>> about regedit entirely.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a crazy idea, I know. I wonder why no one has thought of it
>>>>> before.
>>>>
>>>> *I* didn't know about it (because I was under the impression that all
> ^^^^
>>>> cygwin programs depend on the mount tables).
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>
>>>> Well, obviously there are a few that don't (mount, [...SNIP!...]
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
>>>
>>>
>>> Let me see if I can parse those last two sentences:
>>>
>>> You didn't know about using "mount" to manipulate the mount tables
>>> because
>>
>> I did not know that I could successfully /use/ the mount program (for
>> creating mount tables when no mount tables are available and
>> "hklm/hkcu/cygnus solutions" doesn't exist.
>
> You didn't? You _said_ that you did, when you wrote "I was under the
> impression that all cygwin programs depend on the mount tables .... Well,
> obviously there are a few that don't" and listed "mount" as one of them.
> That's why I nominate this thread for a TITTTL award: every time you post, you
> contradict something you said earlier. Sometimes you even manage to
> contradict yourself just between paragraphs within one post!
Dave, you can repeat it one gazillion times but - logically,
rhetorically and whatever - there *is no contradiction* in what I
wrote.
"*I* didn't know about it (because I was under the impression that all
cygwin programs depend on the mount tables)."
Translation: I did not know until today (or yesterday) that you can
use mount and other utilities "standalone".
"Well, obviously there are a few that don't (mount, cygcheck, ash (?),
etc.?)"
But as of today I know (because I tried it today - encouraged by CGF's
encouraging support and Svend Sorensen's batch script).
There is no contradiction, except in your fantasy.
>> (When you try to run a cygwin app in that situation it normally
>> complains it cannot find cygwin1.dll and doesn't know where "/" is
>> Is that so hard to grasp?!)
>
> It's only hard to grasp because it's completely incorrect. Look at what
> you're saying: you claim that the mount tables are necessary to load the
> cygwin1 dll?
Did I say that? I mentioned two common error messages without making
any dependencies between them.
> Just to prove it: I renamed both the HKCU and HKLM trees on my machine to
> "Cygnuts Solutions" and then did this:
>
> ---------------------------snip---------------------------
> C:\Documents and Settings\dk>regedit
> [ did renaming. no cygwin apps or services running now. ]
> C:\Documents and Settings\dk>cd \cygwin
>
> C:\cygwin>cd bin
>
> C:\cygwin\bin>bash
> bash.exe: warning: could not find /tmp, please create!
> bash-3.00$ ls
> bash: ls: command not found
> bash-3.00$ /bin/ls
> bash: /bin/ls: No such file or directory
> bash-3.00$ /usr/bin/ls
> bash: /usr/bin/ls: No such file or directory
> bash-3.00$ pwd
> /cygdrive/c/cygwin/bin
> bash-3.00$ ./ls
> 822-date gs-x11
> ApplySnapshot gs.exe
> CleanLog gsbj
> DllPlugInTester.exe gsdj
> [ ... snip ... ]
> ---------------------------snip---------------------------
>
> There's an important point here. Before claiming that a piece of software
> does or does not exhibit a certain behaviour, DON'T JUST GUESS - TEST IT AND
> SEE!
Why should I? *You* tested it for me. And proved me _right_. I said
"when you try to run a cygwin app in that situation it normally
^^^^^^^^
complains it cannot find cygwin1.dll and doesn't know where "/" is".
You tried "ls": result as I said.
You tried "/bin/ls": result as I said.
You tried "/usr/bin/ls": result as I said.
You tried what one normally tries and got my predicted results.
Even your "./ls" "trick" (I know it's not a trick) wouldn't have
succeeded if you would have tried to run some app in /usr/bin or
/usr/local/bin. You know what you would have gotten?: "cannot find
cygwin1.dll". Amen.
Let me repeat: I never said that no cygwin app is ever going to run
without a mount table. I just said that they won't work the way they
normally work.
Apart from your artificially constructed example here is a REAL LIFE
example what I get when I try to run my shell without a mount table:
[1]
>>> you thought that all cygwin programs depend on the mount tables ....
>>> except for "mount", which you already knew didn't depend on the mount
>>> tables?
>>
>> I DID NOT KNOW THAT when I created my solution for running Cygwin from
>> a USB drive a year ago.
>
> Yes, but you did know it today, when you wrote the post in which you
> contradicted yourself....
I knew it today in the post in which I didn't contradict myself.
But maybe my mistake was that I believed CGF:
"All cygwin programs rely on the mount table."
(http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.cygwin/70816)
I know: now you will make a big noise about the difference between
"relying" and "depending". I don't care. All I know that cygwin apps
don't work (they way they use to) without the mount table.
Thorsten
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